
Wow, I love the conversation this post has sparked, and I love that people are weighing in with thoughtful and varied opinions! Thank you all so much for commenting, and please do keep chiming in :)
Some really excellent points have been brought up in the comment thread, so I want to address a few of those and dive into the discussion with a little more personal background. I won't be able to cover everything I want to say in just one post, but the issue of education is very important to me and I do bring it up here often without getting "into" it on a personal level. I figure since I keep harping on this kind of unconventional approach to learning that is unschooling, I owe it to my audience to articulate where I stand and why. So here goes:
First of all, wow, isn't Art grand? Good Will Hunting and this particular scene are classic, and I think they raise so many beautiful, perplexing, and challenging themes that clearly resonate with many many people.
Of course, Will Hunting is a fictional character, and he embodies many extreme qualities that are not typically found in combination in real-world individuals (the super-hotness melded with being a genius savant melded with having LOTS of personal issues melded with being just naturally cool and street smart, etc. etc.). So it's not that I think he's this Great Model of Unschooling, the perfect example of how you don't have to go to school to be smart or educated. He's a made-up character!
But that's the thing about powerful art -- it can communicate strong truths about our world without being completely realistic. What I think is so great about this scene is that it brings up what I feel to be an entirely valid point: you don't have to go to school to be educated. You don't have to have an expensive degree to be incredibly knowledgeable and passionate about important/esoteric/advanced subjects. In fact, autodidacticism often results in a much deeper understanding and appreciation of the material learned than does compulsory schooling.
I believe in authentic learning rather than forced memorization. I believe in self-directed exploration for the love of it rather than education through a system based on reward and punishment (grades, testing, the whole academic ball of wax). I believe that children should primarily play and not be confined to desks. I believe in nurturing imagination rather than emphasizing rote regurgitation of facts.
I am a lifelong unschooler. For the majority of my childhood I was not required to do schoolwork and I was never pressured to keep up with age-appropriate grade-levels. I played, I read, I drew, I danced, I listened to and played music, I cooked meals alongside my mother and father and grandmother, I learned how to write, I watched movies, I gardened, I helped my parents build a house, I traveled, I had a range of friends who varied greatly in age, maturity, background, areas of expertise. I often engaged with friends and family in rich dialogues and debates, and was encouraged by those around me to speak my mind and always ask questions, to follow my heart and my interests.
Starting when I was in my early teens, I began to audit college courses in subjects that interested me, ranging from English to Music Theory, to Science, to History. I did this purely for the love of learning, and because I wanted to try it out. I was not there because anyone else forced me to be there, I was not there because I wanted to rack up credits or credentials or be some kind of type-A overachiever. My interests and passions had been nurtured my entire life. My parents had not acted as teachers but as facilitators, encouraging and supporting me and providing resources when I wanted them without ever forcing me into an agenda. Choosing to engage with professors and classmates on topics that mattered to me was a huge vehicle for learning, and I will be the first to say I gained much from it. I am not sure that I gained INVALUABLE things, or things that would not have been possible to glean on my own or in another kind of setting, but it was a growing experience and after years of not attending school it was weirdly validating to know that I could function within the culturally valued mode of education (academia) and moreover I could excel there, often outpacing my conventionally-schooled peers, several years my elder.
In my late teens, I enrolled in college full-time, as a degree-seeking Freshman, and set out to see what the world of school could offer me when immersed in it with a full course-load and the objective of obtaining some actual credits and credentials. In my first semesters there, and continuing through my stay, I can unequivocally say that I read less, and at a much shallower level than I ever had before in my life. I became focused on studying for tests. A life-long writer, I learned how to effectively bullshit (not that this is a skill without merits!) papers to get them turned in by the deadline. Previously free to engage with mentors, teachers, family members, and classmates and converse with them on topics of interest, I now felt intellectually numbed, less engaged, and totally sleep deprived thanks to the combined forces of schoolwork and school-style social life (that's a whole other topic that would take at least one looooong post to address!).
And I was "succeeding" at the game! I maintained a high GPA, my teachers loved me, and I had lots of friends!
After graduation, my experience left me feeling entirely ambivalent about academia. I don't think it was a total waste of time, because sure, I learned things and I am not one to look back on personal experience with regret. But I AM pretty sure it was a waste of money. Despite having had various academic scholarships, and having worked numerous part-time jobs while pursuing my degree, I still left school saddled with loans, and a pretty keen sense that getting a job in my chosen field might not actually be made so magically easier by having a degree, good grades, and academic honors.
And indeed, I applied for many jobs when I left college and ended up actually waiting tables and working in retail (not that there's anything wrong with those occupations, but those are not the lines of work that people typically aspire to while striving for their college degree, am I right?) I also know I am not alone in this predicament. It is a well-talked-about fact that in recent years the value of higher education has gone down, while the price tag has gone up. I know plenty of people with advanced degrees that still struggle with school loans and settle for careers that fall somewhere significantly beneath what they had envisioned for themselves as they travelled through the system doing everything "right" for 16-plus years of their lives.
All of this is to say, that as someone who identifies as an unschooler I do not believe that school is somehow inherently evil, but even in its best incarnations it IS incredibly flawed, and I believe that society places far too much emphasis on the importance of this factory-based system of one-size-fits-all education.
And sure, unschooling is not for everyone either! But as a philosophy, I think it is an idea whose time has come, and more people are starting to wake up to the reality that they do not have to live their lives from preschool onward in a kind of perpetual race for credentials of questionable value. You do not have to slack off on (or abdicate entirely) your individuality, your imagination, your interests, or your voice in the pursuit of a degree. You do not have to give up years of play, or reading, or writing comic books, or directing theatrical productions, or sewing your own wardrobe, or starting a business, or programming computers, or riding your bike, in exchange for the be-all-end-all Education with a capitol "E". Like it or not, school is built on a model that encourages standardization and rewards conformity, and I think many school students pay a much higher price for living in the system than the one listed on their student loan bills every month.
Which brings us back to the lovely scene in the bar, and what was for me, Will's rather elegant closing line,
"…at least I won't be unoriginal."
Photo: Yours Truly at age two ;)


Love it. "How do you like them apples?"
ReplyDeleteI think I need to re-watch Good Will Hunting now. By far one of my favourite movies ever...
thank you for this post & sharing your experience. It gives a good insight. Léa
ReplyDeleteIt sounds as though you had an amazing upbringing, and your parents did a splendid job of ensuring you had a well-rounded childhood, exposed to a diverse range of experiences - artistic, social, intellectual.
ReplyDeleteI was sad, though, to read of your experience of college, and did wonder whether this was something that's actually inherent to the college system per se, or more a reflection of a personal reaction. You write: 'I read less, and at a much shallower level than I ever had before in my life. I became focused on studying for tests. A life-long writer, I learned how to effectively bullshit.' Is there anything inherent to college itself that resulted in this? Of course, you were exposed to expectations - the need to maintain a GPA, the possibility of testing and assessment - but surely part of the challenge in higher education is continuing to see these as a means to an end, superficial markers that can always be transcended. In my experience, the ones who excel and get the most from higher education are those who are able to put aside the incentive of achievement for its own sake, and who are inspired by the actual joy of learning and enquiry - a real intellectual curiosity. University can do such a brilliant job of piquing and structuring this curiosity (and giving it discipline and context) because it draws together people who are dedicated to the pursuit of knowledge, as well as often housing the texts and resources that aid this pursuit. Sorry for such a long post. I think the unschooling idea is fascinating, but I am idealistic about education with or without a capital E, and concerned about the dilution of these ideals.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences.
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PS: I also think Anna has a valid point there (which totally was lost on me when I was in University *sigh*).
Anna,
ReplyDeleteI know that in general, following 12 years of conventional grade school and high school college is comparatively liberating and intellectually stimulating environment. I think there are many things inherent in the promise or the ideals of higher education that are wonderful and noble and profound.
I also think that I went to an above-average liberal arts school where critical thinking, individual insight, and deep intellectual inquiry were encouraged mightily. Those were things about the program that really attracted me in the first place and I think there were times where these ideals were met.
HOWEVER, it is also true having spent the majority of my life outside of school walls, there was no question in my mind which environment offered the richer experience and the chance for deeper, truer learning.
That's just my experience, though! And I don't wish to discount or belittle all forms of higher education with a capitol "E". I just think it's worth shaking up our ideas and assumptions on the topic, and I have no choice but to float the idea that school as we know it (at all levels) is a flawed construct, and not this be-all-end-all of personal achievement or a requirement for success and intelligence.
Thank you so much for your comment!
This is just beautiful Leigh and I agree with you so much! I've been busy thinking on these things for months and I love how you've articulated it so well in one post.
ReplyDeleteP.S I love when you write lengthy posts, you have such a natural way with words.
This quote - "I do not believe that school is somehow inherently evil, but even in it's best incarnations it IS incredibly flawed, and I believe that society places far too much emphasis on the importance of this factory-based system of one-size-fits-all education." - sums up my own thoughts on 'education' perfectly.
ReplyDeleteI went to school, and I am about to graduate University in a few weeks, but if I compare what I have learned there to the learning I have gleaned from travelling and reading.... It just doesn't compare. I am very interested in homeschooling/unschooling with my children and because I was educated in the schooling system myself - and 'succeeded' in the eyes of the system - people have a hard time understand why I wouldn't want my children to 'go to school'. I will refer them to this post in the future :)
So many thanks for writing a fantastic post on unschooling!
ReplyDeleteAs an unschooling Mama it is so encouraging and delightful to hear about your experience snd thoughts having been unschooled and now looking back on this.
We have been unschooling our two daughters 4years and each year I get more excited and amazed at the delights this lifestyle choice brings! I have learnt so much! My children have blossomed and it is my privilege to journey with them this way!
Thanks for the encouraging!!!!
Have you read The Day I Became an Autodidact by Kendall Hailey?
ReplyDeleteThanks. As a brooklynite with a two year old, I am already fearing school age for so many reasons, already anxious about how anxious parents get. Going to read more about this unschooling.
ReplyDeletei loved this. i agree with you, entirely. beautifully written and very insightful. thank you!
ReplyDeleteOH MY GOODNESS!! Your father's brain is on overdrive. Stay tuned for a response. ;)
ReplyDeleteWe LOVED this post!
Brilliantly written Leigh and I agree with many of your comments. We do need to fix public education, because for most in our country it is the only option. Thankfully we have some incredibly bright individuals working on it, including (thankfully)our new Superintendent in Dobbs Ferry. It's all about instruction...great instruction with dynamic teachers who mold lifelong learners not adults who have "been learned".
ReplyDeleteAs Lisa just noted, brilliantly written. Thank you so much for doing this post. Leigh, you are so amazing and I SO wish we lived closer together so we could chat about life and so that our kiddos could play together. We're now a year into exploring unschooling with O and we have no regrets at this point.
ReplyDeleteSome other things I'd like to say is that I received my Master's in Ed (w/ a capital "E") and it was pretty well ingrained in us that allowing children to discover their own answers and to allow them the freedom to decide what they will learn is considered "best practices." We were also taught in my program that keeping portfolios, collections of students' work, was a much better portrayal of their intelligence and progress than letter grades and standardized tests. Then, we were all merrily dumped into the real world where we found ourselves some lovely teaching positions. We discovered that most teachers were *not* trained this way and were still stuck in the old-time idea of having kids sit at desks and read out-loud from books and memorize vocabulary, etc. Principals dictated curriculum because the government had created incentives for buying their pre-packaged reading programs (think $$$$). This experience has taught me that if we were to put O into a school, even if the teacher were well-intentioned and understood how children truly learn, the system itself is completely flawed and would prevent true learning.
Also, when I reflect on my years in (private, Catholic) school, I feel sorry for myself. Especially high school. It was a time of great stress, little sleep, shallow reading, fear of losing any small gains in social status I had attained, and very little time for family. I BS'd my way through homework most nights and skim-read to survive. I didn't read a single book for pleasure.
As for Oliva, to that, I say, thanks, but no thanks.
I love unschooling. John Holt's books are very engaging. I homeschooled several of my kids for several years and used the unschooling approach for the most part. Some children need more structure than others, in which case, I would use a more traditional curriculum. My one daughter entered high school with a wealth of information, a creative /individual approach to all her subjects AND an ability to work independently in all her classes. Her classmates needed to be hand held and told what to do quite often. When she applied to college, the admissions officers at all the schools were very impressed with her "unusual" educational background and she was admitted to every school she applied. She continues to apply an "individual/creative" approach to all her subjects.
ReplyDeleteWe have an artistic family and all the kids are visual learners and I think unschooling is great for the more creative type of child.
I really agree with you and feel that the system is flawed and I don't feel comfortable turning my children over to it and watching all I have encouraged in them and taught them melt away as they began to conform to the structure of school and its expectations.
ReplyDeleteI am also afraid. Afraid that unschooling will be to much for me. That the responsibility is to great. What if i don't provide a stimulating enough environment. What if i can't help them learn to read. What if i mess up?
When unschooling do you as a parent get "activity books" or find curriculum to help guide you? Do you offer projects or just follow your children's interest?
I suppose the beauty of it is that one is free to do whatever is needed and wanted. Free to mix things together and address the individual needs of the kids.
I believe unschooling can be done and done fabulously well, as evident by your experience, i'm just a tad bit intimidated by the whole idea.
Leigh,I loved your unschooling post. Your dad talked us into unschooling! :) We started when our eldest was in 11th grade, our kids having been worn down in different ways at 'real' school. I wish we had considered doing this from the start. The average person REALLY is much more capable of facilitating their children's learning, as you so aptly put it, than they might think! (Both our kids DID graduate from college with honors. Neither was bowled over by the intellectual side of the experience. They are both leading productive, fulfilled lives right now. One actually needed her degree.)
ReplyDeleteYou've done a beautiful, comprehensive job articulating what can be a difficult education style to describe, let alone fathom. It is ironic and sad to me that such a natural way of learning is so difficult for some people to understand or accept. I sometimes think people don't WANT to understand it because, if they did, they'd feel compelled to DO it; and that would take too much commitment. (Bad attitude, I guess)
Your brief mention of the social side of college made me want to share a few thoughts.
After high school, I attended the same college you did. It had the same reputation then as now (vigorous intellectual pursuit, etc.) Discovered the party side (rampant) when I got there. Your comments about the learning environment there struck a cord.
From my dorm window, at the height of the Vietnam War, watching people on their way to work,I often thought it odd that young men seemingly majoring in partying were sheltered from the draft by law in college while other, 'less deserving' boys, greater draft risks, were self-disciplined enough to go to work early each day, some more mature by experience and yet younger in age than many of the students at our school. We managed a lot of full-throttle partying with seldom a mention of the very intellectual pursuits sheltering 'our' boys from military service.
If we insist that "18 and just out of 'real' school" is the best place to start college, we create a pool of immaturity ready to breed a distorted social scene, waiting to distract from and dilute any intellectual pursuits.
Unfortunately, the college social scene is often considered a necessary evil and is totally expected by most. Some even consider it a normal part of one's education. To a point maybe one could consider one's college social life an education in itself, but only to a point. It isn't listed on the curriculum. If a subject's not good enough to be on the curriculum, how important can it be? I mean, THEY aren't unschooling, ARE they? Are our colleges unwittingly unschooling the subject of 'Rampaging Social Life' by facilitating it's growth? Hmmm.
It would be interesting to see the effect if Admissions stopped basing the freshman year on 18 year olds per se AND started requiring documentation of REAL life experience AND responsibility (like an actual 1 or 2 year job history, not just random stints of charity work) before admission to college.
A college president told me that half of all freshmen drop out. Maybe they're not ready. Maybe our colleges would rather get their tuition now than when the 'kid' is ready. Do colleges fear these 'kids' won't return later? Why, if college is so essential?
Also a factor is how many of us have no qualms about sending our kids to college before they know what their favorite field of study is. Not that it has to be completely nailed down, but shouldn't you have some slight sense of direction before you enroll?
This is not to say kids younger than 18 shouldn't do as you did and try out college courses. Such kids obviously have a different mind-set and, besides, probably are not living in the dorm!
Leigh, you indicated that you might post something related to the causes/effects of college social life. I'm really looking forward to it.
~Sarah S. (Madeline's mom)
Such an interesting and thoughtful post. I, too, was unschooled until I attended college. It was such a magical way to grow up and learn how to think -- so much of what you say about that chapter of life rings absolutely true. I am forever grateful to my incredibly brave/patient/visionary/crazy parents for boldly charging ahead WAY before home education was cool.
ReplyDeleteBut our experiences diverge pretty markedly in college. I *loved* it. I started when I was young at a small school a couple blocks from our house (important, since I couldn't drive yet!), and then transferred after a couple years to a fancy school on the other side of the country. Both experiences were absolutely life-changing, and mostly in a good way. Perhaps precisely because I hadn't spent the last 12 years stuck behind a desk, I thrived academically and enjoyed every minute of my classes. But the most valuable lessons were definitely not gleaned from a lecture hall or seminar -- rather from my friends, and from the process of becoming myself in a rich environment totally separate from home and family.
Now I have a couple of my own kids and lose a lot of sleep trying to decide what is the best path for them. As much as I loved my experience growing up, not all of my siblings feel the same. And my husband, who attended private schools, LOVED his pre-college education as much as I did. I think different things can work for different people -- both parents and children. I love the idea of unschooling, but I am also daunted. I am keenly aware of the holes in my own education, but profoundly grateful for the way I look at the world -- which is decidedly unconventional, and a direct result, I'm sure, of my unconventional upbringing. I would never feel comfortable abandoning my children for 8+ hours a day to the sub-par public education system in the city where we live. But I am open to the idea that, at some point, there might be a school or school-like option that will work well for my kids. And, for now (at ages one and almost-three), unschooling feels really wonderful. But I'm planning to take it one step at a time, and I hope that we'll be inspired to figure out the right solution for each of our little cuties.
Thanks for starting a great conversation!
I have been fascinated by the idea of unschooling ever since I came across your blog.
ReplyDeleteIt is deeply engrained in peoples' psyches that the important stuff only gets learned at school and that only well educated teachers can impart knowledge etc. etc.
Some of my most valuable learning has taken place since I finished college. I am unschooling myself finally and many of my previous assumptions about education and society have changed.
So much food for thought in your post and the comments. Thank you all for the inspiration. My son is not yet 2 and we have plenty of time to think about this, but it already feels a bit daunting to make such a big decision for someone else's.
ReplyDeleteWow. This post is so beautiful and has me almost on the verge of tears for how deeply it stirred within me the parts that wish they had the courage to unschool my son. Even as a former educator, it has never EVER felt right to me the way education is done (i.e. the lack of play, sitting quietly at a desk, memorizing facts, etc. etc.). I feel the frustration and strain of the pressure for my son to "perform" well so that it does not become a reflection on me. Wow, it felt good to type that sentence out.
ReplyDeleteANYWAYS. You know what really scared me? I have always heard NYC is one of the hardest places to homeschool (and therefore, I assume, unschool). So, please PLEASE make this a series or something. HOW do you do it? What is required? Aren't some scores required to report? Thank you so much if you can answer these questions.
Great post again. And great picture!
Great post to recap and kind of put into perspective what was your very brief post on unschooling. This was a nice reminder to someone (me) who's in college as we speak.
ReplyDeleteWhile unschooling may provide a solid foundation for certain careers, I am at a loss as to how such an education could prepare someone for a career in science or math, geniuses such as Will Hunting aside.
ReplyDeleteSince parents make the choice to unschool their children long before those children have any idea whether science or math interests them, it seems to me that the parent who chooses to unschool their child has foreclosed career paths which require training from a young age. As a practical matter, if you aren't exposed to math and science as a child, taking community college classes as a teenager will not allow you to catch up to your peers.
I am a huge supporter of self-directed learning. I agree that pursuing your intellectual interests outside the classroom is essential. I have always explored my intellectual interests by reading outside of school, but school exposed me to subjects and materials I needed a teacher to master, like chemistry, calculus, and physics. I found those subject challenging, and, while I did not pursue a career in science, my experiences in those classes taught me that I could master subject that did not come naturally to me if I worked hard. For other people I know, their exposure to science and math in school fostered a lifelong passion for those subjects, which they parlayed into careers as researchers, doctors, and engineers. I wouldn't want to take those options away from my children, and, even as an educated person, I know I could never provide enough exposure to those subjects if I followed the unschooling model.
I too, was sad to read of your experiences with college. I was lucky to be placed in what was, for me, an excellent school for my high schooling and then a wonderful university. I also spent long periods in my childhood travelling with my parents out of the school system and free learning. I think that both these experiences have shaped who I am today and admire aspects of many education systems.
ReplyDeleteI do believe that the responsiblity for education lies in both parents and children. We speak of schooling so often as being a flawed system, confined to classrooms, however I think that it often comes down to flawed material and teachers, as well as an unimaginative and careless out of school life. Homeschooling and unschooling work for some because they have either passionate teachers or life guides in parents. For others structure and exposure to new material is welcome stimulous, not to mention a necessary condition regarding work for both parents.
At university I studied economics. Economics is exams, high marks and deadlines but it is also theory, creative thinking (hard to believe but it can be true)and can provide what I appreciate now to be a particuarly open mind when it comes to thinking. I came away from university having learnt, among many things, to look at a problem from every single angle, not cling to one facet.
Without structure, without guidance, my own ideas regarding the subject would have floundered. I agree that it is possible to learn freely and to reap value from less conventional methods but for some university can and will be the perfect way to cultivate knowledge and let your mind go.
It's not a case of looking at the worst case senario of schooling. We can do this with disgraceful examples of homeschooling and unschooling as much as we can with horrible conventional schools. Is it not more about taking the best from various avenues and trying what fits best? I think effort is the word required. Effort from the learner and the guides.
I feel strongly about this because there are so many ways to educate, so many ways and so many things to learn, from art to economics. Why stick with just one method?
I too, was sad to read of your experiences with college. I was lucky to be placed in what was, for me, an excellent school for my high schooling and then a wonderful university. I also spent long periods in my childhood travelling with my parents out of the school system and free learning. I think that both these experiences have shaped who I am today and admire aspects of many education systems.
ReplyDeleteI do believe that the responsiblity for education lies in both parents and children. We speak of schooling so often as being a flawed system, confined to classrooms, however I think that it often comes down to flawed material and teachers, as well as an unimaginative and careless out of school life. Homeschooling and unschooling work for some because they have either passionate teachers or life guides in parents. For others structure and exposure to new material is welcome stimulous, not to mention a necessary condition regarding work for both parents.
At university I studied economics. Economics is exams, high marks and deadlines but it is also theory, creative thinking (hard to believe but it can be true)and can provide what I appreciate now to be a particuarly open mind when it comes to thinking. I came away from university having learnt, among many things, to look at a problem from every single angle, not cling to one facet.
Without structure, without guidance, my own ideas regarding the subject would have floundered. I agree that it is possible to learn freely and to reap value from less conventional methods but for some university can and will be the perfect way to cultivate knowledge and let your mind go.
It's not a case of looking at the worst case senario of schooling. We can do this with disgraceful examples of homeschooling and unschooling as much as we can with horrible conventional schools. Is it not more about taking the best from various avenues and trying what fits best? I think effort is the word required. Effort from the learner and the guides.
I feel strongly about this because there are so many ways to educate, so many ways and so many things to learn, from art to economics. Why stick with just one method?
though i don't have children myself, this post has really opened my eyes. leigh, i'm sure you read the recent (or not so recent?) article in new york magazine about how college is sort of over-rated. to which i would mostly agree.
ReplyDeletethe only thing that comes to mind regarding unschooling is... being financially stable enough to stay at home in the first place. to those mothers who want to "enforce" unschooling but can't afford to, what other options do they have but to send their kids to school?
Rebecca--If I were a young mother again and HAD to put my kids in school, I'd make sure they took ALL their sick days or, at least, I'd pick them up early once a week on some pretense. Do FUN STUFF those days. It would be great if you could get your pediatrician to conspire with you and give you doctor's excuses! The sick part actually happened to us one year--took ALL the sick days actually for real illness. (The school got snarky until I produced the doctor's excuses.) While we weren't exactly having fun, the kid's grades at least didn't falter which PROVES school can take too much time out of life. Play hooky. (I started out as an if-you're-not-running-fever-go-to-school sort of mom.)
ReplyDeleteI understand Rebecca's point. I can't imagine having the luxury of a single income household where my children could be unschooled. I am fascinated and completely support unschooling, but I also support and encourage the evolution of different school structures and programs that are available to the public. Living in Brooklyn among many new parents, I keep learning about alternative schools with progressive programs that are definitely outside of the norm. Yes, since they are part of the public school program and are subject to standards and testing they are part of the 'system'. Unfortunately not everyone has the financial stability to step outside of the system so it's important not to set it aside, but continue working to change the system.
ReplyDeleteBelieve me, i would love to home school my future children. I have spent much time researching and trying to figure out a way to make it happen. It would involve moving, both parents switching careers, and leaving the care of our elders to strangers (which is another cost) but our personal circumstances simply don't allow.
Since I know that I am not the only one who would love to unschool, but can't.. it's important to have hope and work toward changes in public education and not just set it aside.
Leigh,
ReplyDeleteI read both posts and the comments. What stands out to me the most is the Good Will Hunting idea. I grew up where the movie takes place. And though it is fiction and Will does acquire a lot of knowledge, the reason the movie is so important to me is because Affleck and Damon were able to expose the idea of how devalued people from neighborhoods like that become. Will Hunting was a genius and still invisible and immobilized. Matt Damon grew up in Cambridge and went to, arguably, one of the best schools in that state, Cambridge Rindge and Latin. A school that Will Hunting did not have access to, for many reasons; some economic, some based on lack of resource and lots based on self-worth, status and insularity. To follow your un schooling idea, is to be guided by someone who has your best interests at heart and will show you the way. Not what happened to Will. He was magical, I know, but, the irony of the scene is that Howard Zinn was a family friend and apparently Damon grew up around him. Is Damon just retelling "A People's History of the United States?" Will Hunting derides the Harvard student for spewing what he has learned in his expensive school, when in reality Damon was able to write the scene so well precisely because he was exposed to that kind of education. So truly, that scene is an example of formal education at its finest! I love Matt Damon.
I just want to jump in here for a minute to say how blown away I am by the caliber of this discussion. Thank you all so much for taking the time to add your perspectives to this thread. I have been so charged up ever since the comments started flowing in, and there are so many excellent points that I am eager to pick up and respond to. The discussion is hopping over on my FB page, too and I'm getting more emails than usual! Due to the length of so many of the comments, I hope to compile a list of what strike me as the richest points, and respond to them one by one in the format of a new post. I think that will be the most organized way to do it ;) Now if I can just find a free hour or two or ten, LOL!!!
ReplyDeleteUntil then, know that I read (and reread) and value every single comment, and I hope to respond soon.
Again, thank you all so much.
thank you for this post and for an excellent insight into unschooling - a concept which is far from popular in Europe.
ReplyDeleteI attended school since the age of 4 and I'm now in the middle of my medical degree in the UK. My experience of school was very enjoyable at times, but also very stressful on some occasions. My parents have played a big role in me early exploration of the world( my dad is a doctor, and my mum a geography teacher)and I think it is largely thanks to them that I have been fascinated by science and generally by this world since I was little.
I don't think unschooling was an option in the 80s and 90s in freshly post-communistic Poland , where I grew up and where every parent had to work really hard just to feed their children regardless of whether they had a degree or not. I cannot say that I regret attending school, I made amazing friends, I met inspirational teachers and tutors and generally had a very good time.
What I really wanted to talk about tough is that an experience of school largely depends on the objectives of the curriculum and the teaching methods. Now, that I am in the 2nd year of Medicine, I can really appreciate that if the curriculum is constructed to encourage our innate curiosity, the studying disappears and learning begins. The medical course I am pursuing is based on problem-based learning. Basically what happens is every week students consider a medical/scientific scenario in groups of 8-10, then they come up with their own questions regarding the scenario and go away to explore and learn around the issues arising from it. In practice, we brainstorm a scenario, go away and cannot wait to learn about it more, because we are CURIOUS, not because we have a test coming up. Of course we still have to sit exams and learn a lot off by heart (it's just a nature of medicine), but the primary way of teaching is by encouragement of curiosity. It has been criticised as with self-directed learning comes the responsibility as well, especially if getting a degree is equivalent with becoming a professional dealing with life/death issues on a daily basis.
I just wanted to point out that even in Medicine, there are elements of self-directed learning and that having experienced that and also traditional teaching in the earlier years of my life, I can say that I understand and see why unschooling is a viable option of introduction of young people into this world.
I had never heard of unschooling until recently, and as the mom of a three-year-old, it's really made me reflect about what kids truly need.
ReplyDeleteI honestly think that the school day is structured the way it is to be a babysitter, not an educator. I think most subjects could be taught well -- all the way up through highschool -- in just a few hours.
Additionally, I think school is used as a place to just evaluate and stratify; not to encourage all children to succeed but to try to identify early those who already show "successful" markers.
I really admire you for having the courage to not only think differently, but also to put your beliefs into practice. There really is an art to parenthood, and I love that blogs are a testament to this.
This totally touched home and I totally agree! I just finished 5 years of hard, life consuming college and there are absolutely no job opportunities in my career (and I wasn't told that until 3 weeks before graduation). If I don't find a job soon, I'll be forced back into the world of retail (that I hate) that I could have done if I never even went to college. Super depressing. What a waste. Now I'm all about learning because I LOVE to learn, not because I need some stupid degree that won't get me anywhere anyway.
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It is difficult to communicate how much this post meant to me, and how fitting it is for the way that I feel at this very moment. A junior in high school, I have done everything the "right" way for my entire education: high test scores, straight As, positive relationships with teachers, etc. As early as seventh grade, however, I realized the complete inadequacy of the educational system to really encourage a love of learning and meet the natural desire for it. Throughout my education, I have watched students who are creative and intelligent in their own rights become beaten down by the system, convinced that they are inferior, stupid, unworthy. Despite the fact that I was good at "playing the game," I was not being challenged or inspired. The academic pursuits that have taught me the most are those that I have pursued on my own. Now, as a junior in high school, I have burned out. I dread going to school. I feel unfulfilled. I hate the pile of homework that I force myself to complete every night so that I can continue to get good grades, so that I can get into a good college, etc. I feel the desire to become a student of the world, to drop everything and travel, or volunteer, or read books that interest me. I know that this isn't going to happen for me, but I feel hopeful that eventually--as more and more people realize the shortcomings of the educational system--change will come.
ReplyDeleteSorry, I HAVE to comment again. To one of the "anonymous" people above (the first one maybe): You questioned how unschooling can prepare someone for a career in science or medicine. Our youngest child started unschooling at what would have been 8th grade, and she's in veterinary school now. She was so burned out on school by the time we started unschooling that the thought of going to college turned her off completely. From 13 to 18, she pursued whatever subjects her curiosity led her to pursue, and they were numerous. She even did some self-directed math studying. BUT, the memory of school kept her from applying to college at 18. From 18 to 21, she worked as a horse trainer, farm manager, and barn manager, moving to New York state for 2 years during that time. At 21 she decided to enter college. She aced all her undergrad courses (pre-med track), and she is currently doing FINE in veterinary school. (She is still not crazy about school, but an objective field like medicine has GOT to have some way to credential people, so, school!)
ReplyDeleteFrom talking to several college professors, I gather that our daughter is NOT the unschooling exception. The professors I've consulted tell me that they can usually spot, without checking records, which students were homeschooled and/or unschooled. Those, they say, are generally the students with the most drive and curiosity. I think homeschooling/unschooling is just more likely to allow that curiosity 'spark' in a child to stay lit.
Maggie (above), although formally educated, gives her parents and her vacations credit for her drive and success in pursuing science. There's a VERY famous ant scientist, Dr. E. O. Wilson of Harvard, who credits his success to time off from school and to his ability to roam while growing up. His autobiography says, if school had been his only educational resource, he would have burned out and would probably never have noticed ants.
ALSO--to the ANONYMOUS teenager who posted above, see if you can get a copy of the Teenage Liberation Handbook. You sound like you'll do FINE in life! --Sarah S.
Oh, and I forgot . . . Those professors also said that it didn't seem to matter if homeschoolers/unschoolers were behind in some sciences when they got to college. Their intact drive and curiosity had them catching up in record time.
ReplyDeleteFundamentally, this issue doesn’t begin with a comparison and contrasting of homeschooling/unschooling vs institutional public/private educational structures. It really begins with how people, not just children, really learn and the freedom all individuals should have to determine how, when, and what they want to learn.
ReplyDeleteIn our public discourse, politicians, educators, parents, etc., frequently declare that our children are our future hope and most important priority. However, proposals geared toward improving education hardly ever amount to more than attempts to shore up the educational status quo by shifting monies, requiring more tests, or increasing hours and years doing the same old things. Educational structures and approaches have barely changed in over 100 years. We have never really had a genuinely serious national dialog on education that places children’s best interest first. I’m suspicious as to whether or not most adults in our society are capable of such a dialog. We so unquestioningly support the supposed benefits of compulsory education. How anyone can believe you can tell another human being what they need to think about or be interested in for approximately 50 minutes out of every hour, for six to seven hours a day, for five days a week, for nine months out of the year, for 12 to 16 years in a row and call that natural and beneficial, is beyond me. And I don’t know any adult in their right mind that would tolerate such, if they were free to do otherwise.
Learning is not dependent on teaching nor schooling. It is dependent on desire, interest, curiosity, and love. It can happen out of school and in school. It is what most adults call “the rest of their life” after they have finished or survived their institutional education.
My hope is that more adults are becoming more willing to question basic educational assumptions and to make the necessary sacrifices, contributions and hard choices. In the final analysis, it was not what nor how much Will Hunting, the psychiatrist, the math professor, Will’s friends, and the girlfriend “knew.” It was facing the hard choices they had to make.
Everytime I read your posts, I think... that is it... I'm pulling my kids out of school and unschooling. :-) Such convincing arguments. ... and I'm a public school teacher whose kids LOVE school. Thanks so much for the dialogue about this. Perhaps if we can just get some unschooling into our schooling...(which I must say.. my kids' teachers and I do in our rooms.... ) all kids would bloom and love learning! Isn't that the goal?? <3 thanks so much for your unschooling posts.
ReplyDeleteWOW! Beautiful post, the more I get to know you, the more admire you. :) And dad! WOW!! So much richness and food for thought. Thanks so much for contributing to this conversation (and to the planet via Leigh!).
ReplyDeleteI attended Bakersfield Seventh Day Academy for elementary, and will never forget albino Mrs Rupert who lived and breathed civil rights, Mrs Fent who had a menagerie of exotic animals in the loft she built in her classroom, my controversial seventh grade teacher who showed a full frontal video of his child being born… and then Highland High School, Berkeley, Harvard, and Yonsei in Koreai for various summer programs, and Columbia in NYC and Paris for undergraduate, Thai Massage school and TSCA to prepare me for my current vocation. With such a varied education, I have worked in consulting, traded bonds on Wall Street, worked retail racks, brokered real estate, rang the cashier at my local grocery, personal assisted, and taught and practiced acupuncture. Someday I will write books. I feel like my education opened me to the curiosity and breadth of experience that helps support all the paths I have walked in this life. If I had not been sent to school, I may not have a command of the English language. :)
Just another perspective.
Great post -- I always go back and forth on the subject. My mom is a teacher, so I know of the frustrations of "teaching to the test." College, for me, was a great experience and allowed me more room to learn and explore the things that interested me!
ReplyDeletehow funny, my experience at a liberal arts college was pretty much like your experience as auditing college courses as a teenager. it was worth every dime, and then some. i took classes that were challenging and was thrilled with my hard-earned B+ after a difficult semester of reading, debating, and reading some more.
ReplyDeletemy college made room for autodidacts, for those who loved learning for its own sake. it also had room for students who wanted to graduate summa cum laude and become investment bankers as well as students who wanted to become immigration rights lawyers or artists.
now as a teacher at a state university, i make it my top priority to challenge education with a capital "E". the more of us there are WITHIN the educational system, the more likely we'll be able to represent the value of the liberal arts for EVERYONE, especially those who believe that a well-groomed CV guarantees success.
i spend a good chunk of every class meeting talking about pedagogy with my students. having had such a good experience of self-directed yet structured learning at college, i try my best to find a happy medium between the necessity of grades--many of my students are first-generation college students who pay their own way and do not have the luxury of a supportive family (financial or otherwise)--and the importance of learning to read and think widely and deeply.
unschooling is a lovely idea that clearly works for many, but there are so many others who do not have access to that kind of learning. i stand for improving public education.
Beautifully written. An incredibly thoughtful and erudite perspective on unschooling. I resonate with so much of what you said here, particularly the issues that you mention in the paragraph that begins "In my late teens, I enrolled in college full-time." I feel that my education (starting from the end of elementary or middle school onward) became progressively plagued by the ability to fake it, a decrease in love of learning and reading, intellectual numbness - everything you said. I want to re-blog your post, and contribute my own thoughts as well, and I will let you know when I get around to doing so. Thanks so much for sharing this.
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ReplyDeletei am fascinated with unschooling, but i want to hear MORE. i want to really understand how it works - what does a day in the life look like? a week? a month? a year? 5 years? how do you go about "teaching"?? do you have time with other kids?
i feel like anything that i read about unschooling tends to shy away from specifics (and i understand why), but i would love to hear more and more about it.
I'm all about this kind of focus on education, but I get a little put off at the mention of college writing being a load of BS. Seriously, good writing takes skill and some of us were required to learn to write even if we were public schooled all the way - even in college. Otherwise, I really liked what you had to say.
ReplyDeleteLeigh, I love this. And, I'd love to hear how you or other unschooling moms would recommend incorporating unschooling into a traditional education. Like some of the other commenters said, I don't see how unschooling could fit into our lives as a two-income family, but I really believe that I, personally, would've benefited from this type of environment and would like to incorporate some of the principles into my daughters' learning experience. Maybe the concept of combining a traditional education and unschooling is counterproductive, but being home part of the week would allow me to at least try...and sometimes that's all we can really do, right?! Maybe you have a book or two you'd recommend?
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P.S. Hope you're feeling great:)
In response to Phebe. Hi! I'm Leigh's dad. You have asked some good questions that I would like to respond to. Many adults think that unschooling is a creative and subtle way to trick or seduce children into learning adult desired academic outcomes. Obviously, that would be manipulative and dishonest. The concerns that most parents, as well as society, have for children knowing how to do basic reading, writing, math, etc., are all as naturally learned as is walking and talking, “IF” each child is allowed to let those skills develop on their own, not according to some artificially prescribe age requirement notion. Basically, unschooling is exactly what the word implies. By that, I literally mean not doing school, acting as though school never existed. The absolute easiest way to understand this is to imagine what most loving, nurturing families do with their children from birth until school entrance age. Unschoolers just ignore the school entrance age concept, and keep on doing the same things they were doing all along, never interrupting the natural learning process which the whole family has been experiencing. Life keeps on unfolding and presenting itself with natural, frequent learning opportunities. There is no such thing as a non-learning experience.
ReplyDeleteAs children get older, they will develop some interest beyond the scope and knowledge of their parents. The parents then serve as facilitators helping to locate materials, mentors, workshops, camps, sports leagues, classes, etc., not unlike most conventionally schooled children and families.
A certain percentage of unschooled children will even decide to try out some form of institutional learning.
Unschooling is as unique as is every individual and family. You don’t make it happen, you let it happen.
Thank you for this post! I have been fascinated by unschooling ever since being introduced to it on your blog. I don't have children, but I'd like to, and unschooling is something I would seriously considering pursuing.
ReplyDeleteLike some of the commenters here though, I am concerned about subjects like science and math. When I was young, I didn't love science or math. I was much more interested in art, music, and writing. It wasn't until I had a foundation in math and science and got to the more advanced stuff that I really found my passion in it. Now I'm getting a PhD in Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering and I love what I'm doing. I don't know that I ever would have gone down this road if I hadn't been "forced" through the subjects I needed to learn (algebra, introductory biology, etc.) before getting into subjects I found really interesting, like differential equations and biochemistry. I just wonder what my experience would have been with unschooling-- if I ever would have found this passion, or if I would have gone down a completely different path because I was so much more interested in the liberal arts.
I don't mention this to try to argue against unschooling. I'm just genuinely curious if this is an issue. How do you find out if you have a passion for things that build upon and rely on knowledge of subjects you aren't interested in?
Thank you for sharing your views and extending this conversation. I think your experience is certainly not the norm, but everyone's experience with education is unique. I see parallelism with Sir Ken Robinson's view on the "system" of education and agree that the structure is flawed. HOWEVER, I think it is more beneficial to address the problem as a community and advocate the changes you want to see. Whether this is through supporting alternative education, voting or being an on a parent board. School is another healthy form of socialization, and it prepares us to lead healthy relationships in our lives. Also, school is sometimes the only environment for children to have opportunities to explore, learn and play.
ReplyDeleteI think your experience is impressive, and I enjoy your insights and thank you for opening up this discussion because I think it allows for an honest critique on our own education experience and what we would like to see for our community.
wow. i just loved this post. my oldest child is entering preschool this year and i just happened to come across a lovely waldorf school in our neighborhood. it has spurred the desire to really take some time and think about how i would like to educate my child and in what environment. this post is such a motivation. does anyone know of any books that cover this more thoroughly? I would love some direction.
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I'm all for it. Thanks for sharing :)
ReplyDeleteI love it...and the whole conversation that has followed via comments. As you already know, about 15 years ago your dad convinced my parents to pull my sister and I out of high school and unschool us. It changed not just the course of our lives but also the entire dynamic of our family. There aren't words to express my gratitude to your parents as well as my own parents. That single leap of faith continues to shine a light in my life. The lovely thing about unschooling is that it doesn't abruptly stop upon graduation. It's a way of life that can go on as long as you open up and allow it.
ReplyDeleteWhen Stephan asked me to marry him, I said yes but on certain conditions. One of those was that our children be unschooled. Obviously he agreed. He's a smart man. ;)
Levi (my oldest) is nearing 4. He can't recite much of what preschoolers memorize in traditional schools, but he knows more about animals than many adults. He can't yet read, but he pulls biology and zoology books off of the shelves and pores over them....sometimes asking questions sometimes just looking. He listens intently to anything and everything that has to do with wildlife. He breathes it all in, and it's truly amazing to watch him learn without any system of rewards or punishments. He just learns for the sake of learning. Sophia, who is only 13 months, has taken to imitating him. I often find her pulling books out, then slowly and intently looking at each page.
I feel very blessed to be able to provide the freedom of unschooling to my children, and I look forward to seeing where their relentless explorations take them.
I've really enjoyed this post and the comments following. I find myself thinking that a one sized fits all approach doesn't lend itself to education/learning any more than it does to any other subject. Traditional schools have long been criticized as creating a "just smart enough", compliant, regimented work force and one could argue that public schools were created for this simple reason. Barons of industry needed educated workers. Impoverished workers needed education to move to the middle classes. Enter public schooling.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I was very lucky in my elementary year schooling. I had creative, impassioned teachers and a principal who loved learning. I also found a passion for accounting that I don't think I would have found without being "directed" into those programs in high school. As the ideas of accountancy seemed repulsive to me - the order, the structure, the balance - until I actually practiced it and found that my brain intuitively understood it.
Before becoming a stay home mother, I loved my career in public accounting which would not have been made possible if it weren't for being forced to take that first class and finding that I was a "natural".
I believe you had someone who mentioned that he wondered how he would have ever found his passion if he weren't forced to take classes that weren't his passion. I wonder something similar - how would I have ever found this theory that I love and can't imagine not knowing if I hadn't been forced to get over my notions that I hated it?
Loved your post and all the comments, especially the ones from your dad. We have been homeschooling our daughter through a charter school the past few years. Unfortunately the curriculum is basically all worksheets and she hates it. We feel like we have created a public school in our home. We are ready to go a different route and are leaning toward unschooling. We really think she would thrive and regain her love of learning. My only concern is how to do it legally. I can't find much about the legal side of unschooling. Do you just do it and hope the state doesn't find out? Are there forms you can fill out? Do you apply to be a private school? I feel like this is our only stumbling block to giving her the freedom and education she deserves. Thank you!!
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ReplyDeleteThank you for this heart felt post! It gives me confidence that I am educated even though I'm a college drop out. It saddens me that our society puts such a high emphasis on having degrees over anything else. I'm glad to know I'm not the only individual who has the unschooling approach. Thanks again : ]
(LOVEEE Good Will Hunting btw)
I really enjoyed reading this post, and as someone who is a week away from receiving her doctorate, I have many thoughts - too many to put into words! Pardon me if the following thoughts are jumbled...
ReplyDeleteAfter reading the comments, I think that the ideal learning environment for my future children would be to get more unschooling into the schools, particularly the public schools (but that's just MY ideal!). I believe that I grew up with access to an excellent formal education, moreso than a lot of people in our country. I lived in an affluent area with quality schools, and I tested into a "gifted" program at a very young age. Those classes were all taught very much in a self-directed, creative manner. Even with math - in middle school, my math classes were all logic-based (symbols and tautologies and proofs!). I always joke that I learned that stuff, but that I never learned matrices and long-division; the reality is that the way that I still think is extremely logic-drivin (perhaps to a fault), and I've never actually needed to understand a matrix.
Our district had a special gifted classroom at one particular school which included a few kids from across the whole district (I did not attend - those kids were more gifted than me :) but I have friends who did). In that classroom, the teachers taught in an incredibly unconventional way, with many field trips and more experiential learning - every single person in the class learned to juggle, for example. My friends from that class are still some of the most interesting and thirsty for knowledge people that I've ever met.
Perhaps ALL kids should be taught in the same manner as the gifted children are?? Or... is it that innately bright, creative "gifted" children are more likely to thrive in and benefit from an environment like that? Perhaps some children are just of a different breed and NEED that structure, and those people aren't the type to read this blog?
I do agree with many of the commenters who have noted that much of the success of unschooling has to do with the innate creativity and desire to learn of the children, which may come from their parents. In order to unschool, parents must be forward-thinking, creative, intelligent, and affluent enough to have a single income. I think that these elements breed successful children! Likewise, those are often the types of children that you will find in a gifted classroom. Just throwing things out here!
As an aside, as someone who is innately interested in learning, I have a hard time pinning myself down. I constantly teeter-totter between wanting to work full-time as an audiologist (my chosen education/career) and wanting to be a part-time audiologist and part-time photographer.. or part-time graphic designer, or flower-shop owner, or event planner, or...! My mind is all over the place when allowed to my own devices :)
Hey, interesting post. Your childhood sounds really magical and it seems like it was a great thing for you.
ReplyDeleteI agree that the public school system is, without a doubt, flawed. However, I don't think that unschooling is the magic bullet. Many parents can't afford to be home with their children, and/or can't facilitate their learning to a degree that will be beneficial to them.
I have very smart and motivated students. However, many of them live in single parent homes or with relatives, and their care-givers work long hours at low-paying jobs. Many of their care-givers did not complete schooling beyond elementary or middle school, and several parents of my current students cannot read or write at all. Would these parents be able to facilitate the reading, the exploration, and the learning to a degree that would enable the kids to enter college? Sadly, even though they want the best for their kids, the answer is probably no. We work so hard because we believe that education is a way out of rough circumstances.
Unschooling sounds like a great concept, but only with the proper facilitation in place. (And if you have a kid who is pretty intrinsically motivated, as you undoubtedly were) The Montessori model might be a great way to blend conventional with less conventional
Thank you for sharing your amazing experience. If one day I raise children, I would like them to have education outside schools, i.e. at home, in nature, on streets (while accompanied by me). This way I can stop them from learning all the bad things which children learn in schools (when badly supervised by their teachers), while teaching all other good things in life which are NOT taught inside the school walls.
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